Ok..Ok more stories. Gather round I’ll tell you a story about a big bad company. Not once upon a time but right now there is a huge company that pretends to be your friend when really it is the biggest facilitator of stolen stuff I have ever seen.
Let me back up a few years.. I started the pawn shop in December of 2009 with a 5000 sq ft building and literally nothing else. So in the first couple of days we opened at 9am and waited and waited, well you get the idea.
I panicked. I really thought if I turned on the pawn sign I would be overrun with customers…uh, not really.
So where do you get good merchandise, cheap and right now? Well how about Craigslist.
Craigslist was my savior so I thought. Eric and I got on the computer and started offering every pawn shop friendly item about half of what they wanted. We made about 200 offers per day. We got lots of replies and I thought our problems were over. Holy cow was I wrong. I stumbled onto the largest criminal enterprise I’ve ever seen, bigger than any crooked pawn shop.
Pawn shops don’t have the greatest reputation. Matter of fact is between Hollywood and pawn shops own bad characters, the last 50 years or so have been suicidal PR for pawn shops. Only recently with Pawn Stars and other related reality TV shows has it recovered…some.
Back to 2009….So Eric and I are getting great results with making offers. We are having a hard time believing anyone would take some of the offers we were making. In the beginning we made the initial contact through a personal gMail account and once we got an interested seller we would send back a message that looked like this…..
“ I own Big Tim’s Pawn Shop in Pinellas Park so you will have to bring it in. I would prefer to give you a loan as that is my business but we will straight buy it if we can make money and it helps you. Let me know. The directions and hours can be found by clicking here .
Tim
Big Tim’s Pawn
5193 73rd Ave N.
Pinellas Park, Fl. 33756
727-828-1388”
Now let me make myself clear.
1. we made offers on stuff
2. the sellers would get all happy and accept said offer
3. we would make a time and date that worked for everyone
4. then and only then the seller would get the above response
Then at least 30% of the time they dropped off the earth. Really it didn’t strike me as weird at first. We were so busy with emails that I didn’t track it well. It wasn’t until I paid a guy in Russia to write me a program that searched Craigslist every 5 minutes for our stuff and auto emailed the seller. We were doing 1500 emails per day and really could not keep up with the response. Emails were flying out but we couldn’t keep up with responding.
Then I found Google autoresponse. There is a really cool add-on to gMail that allows you to store pre made emails and with the click of a button your email is done. Autoresponse changed the game for us. The back and forth of emails between sellers and us was really very typical. We made an offer, they countered, and we would close or not. We developed 20 or so emails that could automate probably 99% of the possibilities in getting stuff off Craigslist.
So I had this really cool process that let us buy a lot of stuff. Thousands per day, it was really effective. But it gave me more time to look at the process and why we couldn’t buy more stuff. Specifically the stuff that we would lose was really cheap, good stuff. iPods, laptops, cool guitars surely they couldn’t have all sold. So I went on a mission to find this stuff and why I was missing it.
The program let me usually be the first response. I can’t tell you how many people said there stuff was on CL for like 5 minutes when they got the email. Of course when you use computers things happen fast, I had a sincere advantage. But somewhere in between the seller agreeing to actually getting the stuff I was losing them. Then I started looking at the time stamps on the emails and where I was losing them was when they finally found out I was a Pawn Shop, but why?
It wasn’t until I started another Craigslist account and made the similar offers for the same items that I discovered the truth. All this stuff was stolen. Really.
I took three days and started going out of the store to pick up this stuff. Laptops with no cords or the password were unknown or didn’t make any sense. And when you would look at the cameras or laptops the pictures really didn’t make sense. One guy had five GPS units three had no cord and all five had home addresses in the same neighborhood, obviously stolen. So being the honest guy I am I bought them all for $40 and returned them to the owners.
I kinda gave up on that soon enough as the pawn shop started to take off but we still heard horror stories about how people were getting ripped off with it. In the store we were buying stuff and telling people to use CL because by the time we bought it and resold it they would lose out. Every single person had a story about how they or someone they know had been robbed, or ripped off because of CL.
Type “craigslist robbery” into Google right now and be amazed.
The story comes full circle now because in the last few weeks an explosion of CL scam artists have been blowing up my email. How it starts is typically you get a response to an ad on CL that looks like this
“do you still have the __________.”
Great I’m thinking I have a potential sale! So I reply …
“It’s at my store if you would like me to hold it for you please call or email me. I will need to know when you are coming for it. If the ad is still up we have not sold it. Even if you don’t buy it I will give you two free dvd’s of your choice for coming in. Just bring this email with you.
the store is Big Tim’s Pawn click on that to get the hours and directions.
Pat Andro
Big Tim’s Pawn
5193 73rd Ave N
Pinellas Park, Fl. 33781
727-828-1388
more info
Mon-Fri 10-8
Sat 10-6
Sun Closed
Pat is a fictional character in the pawn shop when anyone asks for him/her we know it’s coming from an ad.
The scams start when you get this type of response…..
“I appreciate your response, the price is good and am going to buy it
from you, and I would like you to consider it sold. I would have loved
to come and see it but my schedule will not permit me I’m a busy kind
of person. You can get back to me with more pics if you still have
more it so that we can proceed with payment arrangements and pick up.
Please do withdraw the advert from Craigslist to avoid disturbance
from other buyers. I want you to know that i will be paying via bank
certified check .I will like you to reply with the following details
to facilitate the mailing of the check to you,
1…..Full name to write on the check
2…..Full Physical address to post the check
3…..City, State and Zip Code
4…..Home & Cell Phone to contact you
*** Note*** You will get back to me today with your contact
information for the payment and the check will be shipped to your
address via UPS or FEDEX courier services and I will like you to know
that you will not be Responsible for delivery i will have my mover
come over as soon as you have cashed the check.”
In the past I just let these go but recently I started replying to them to see what really happens if you try and complete this transaction. I’m curious guy so I started replying with this….
“I really appreciate your response to my email, I have taken the item down from Craigslist. You may see another I have many. I am ecstatic to receive your check.
1…..Pat Andro
2…..5193 73rd ave n
3…..Pinellas Park, Fl. 33781
4…..727-828-1388.”
So I’m thinking no way they will try and actually send me a check, right?
The pic is fuzzy on purpose because I’m like that but that is over $20,000.00 in REALLY REALLY GOOD fake cashier’s checks. The part where these scammers prey on you is on your greed. The check they send is always more, much more than the item for sale. The scammer always has a reason why this happened. Here is one example I got emailed to me after the check arrived….
“Hello ,how are you doing, Unlike i have told you in my last Email.. my brother have really mess the payment Up, there is a curiosity After all i have thought about it and i decided to email you and see if we could both deal with Trust and Understanding.. The Main problem right now was that He made some {Typographical} Error in sending your payment.. i have instructed him to send some cash to my mother for her Mortgage and bills payment.. i think he heard me wrong due the the fact of his disability. [Hard of hearing] , he was suppose to have sent you a payment of ($865). But instead, he sent a payment of ($2,600) Which means he substitute your payment to my mother,*Vise verse*He claimed that I said he should send you a payment of ($2,600) of-which this payment should have been mailed directly to my Mother or her bill collector, i tried to paused the mail before it can get to you but its not possible for me, that’s why the payment has been delayed, But that should not disturb the transaction, the deal is still on and we shall get through it, Once you received this payment ..Please kindly Take it to your bank and deduct your item money and please Guarantee me in sending the excess fund to the bill collector/ My Mother .
All you have to do as soon as you get the payment cash at your bank, deduct your item money and wire the rest to my mom through western union store, i hope i can trust you on this Matter..
Dave’s”
Never said they were educated but seeing how the scams are always through UPS or FEDEX (to avoid Postal Service felony). These scams cost them about $12 for every one of these checks. What they are counting on is you going to your bank and depositing them. Banks don’t check them they just deposit them and 3 days later when they don’t scan well and come back as fake they will take the money out of your account.
In the meantime the scammer will want to immediately get a mover/shipper there. Because he “PAID” you way more than it was for sale they also expect you to pay the shipper and give them a cashiers check for the balance minus a hundred or so “for your trouble”.
This is a very expensive, very sophisticated scam. Judging by how many I have received lately it is very profitable. I am working on replies right now to string these scammers along enough to actually get the mover out here to the store I will update this post because I think it will get real interesting if I try and push them further into the scam. I have a plan that might even cost them more money and really make them crazy.
Moral here is be careful of CL the internet makes people brave enough to do what they never would face-to-face. Come visit us at Big Tim’s Pawn I’ll let you see the checks!



